tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17915403.post116397048018386295..comments2023-10-22T16:14:20.639+02:00Comments on CafeDA: A Bishop that likes little children and Frau mit SchnurrbartUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17915403.post-1164871399905060552006-11-30T08:23:00.000+01:002006-11-30T08:23:00.000+01:00Sorry there to delete that post! I was perhaps get...Sorry there to delete that post! I was perhaps getting the wrong msg across.<BR/>What I mean to say is that ...<BR/>As far as possible we need to handle the situation as calmly as we can but then sometimes we have to show our ugly side! Just as you did.<BR/><BR/>It was not you as an individual but the father in you that reacted!<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>GBU<BR/>ArtiArti Honraohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17051700436458289929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17915403.post-1164871179514788412006-11-30T08:19:00.000+01:002006-11-30T08:19:00.000+01:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Arti Honraohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17051700436458289929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17915403.post-1164727343408340172006-11-28T16:22:00.000+01:002006-11-28T16:22:00.000+01:00Hi DA,I would agree with Gary that your reaction w...Hi DA,<BR/>I would agree with Gary that your reaction was only natural to the aggressive behaviour of that woman that comes from the evolution nevertheless there is more evolved way of the Christ, Budhha and Gandhi to offer the other chick for a slap if hit on one cheek.<BR/>Anyway I agree with your conclusion that one must earn respect!<BR/>Best...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17915403.post-1164513559929582292006-11-26T04:59:00.000+01:002006-11-26T04:59:00.000+01:00Hi Zee yes I see/ agree and here's one resolution...Hi Zee <BR/>yes I see/ agree <BR/>and here's one resolution- to end on !!<BR/> <BR/>Trouble has occurred as a new governor was forbidding the custom of Sati. <BR/>You are not respecting our culture the locals complained !! <BR/><BR/>The governor responded. <BR/><BR/>I will respect your culture, so long as you equally respect ours!!, Can we both agree ! <BR/><BR/>Go ahead and continue your practice of Sati, but our culture requires us to cut of the heads of those found guilty of murdering innocent women. <BR/><BR/>Best wishesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17915403.post-1164509885270432902006-11-26T03:58:00.000+01:002006-11-26T03:58:00.000+01:00LindsayMaybe I have sometimes a rather round and a...<B>Lindsay</B><BR/>Maybe I have sometimes a rather round and about way of bringing my point across. Sorry.<BR/>So here is the lean version:<BR/>Immigrants are welcome to bring their own ways and culture as long as they also respect the ways and culture of the land they are immigrating to.<BR/>It's that simple really.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17915403.post-1164508192937903982006-11-26T03:29:00.000+01:002006-11-26T03:29:00.000+01:00Hi Zee & DA I take it you assume assimilation to ...Hi Zee & DA <BR/>I take it you assume assimilation to be the superior model for immigration. That is the assimilation of racial and ethnic groups into mainstream society; so that minorities change in conformity to the dominant culture, a "melting pot," for immigrants of varied racial and ethnic backgrounds to willingly and happily blend in the creation of a brand-new national identity.<BR/>Assimilation however often stifles any differences in beliefs other than those of the dominant culture. Interestingly it is Indigenous groups who may be forced to abandon lifestyle based upon values unacceptable to the dominant culture, usually European. <BR/>What I am suggesting as an alternative to that melting pot model,is for a more pluralistic or multicultural society model where groups can maintain their ethnic identity and language, art, music, food, literature, religion, to enrich society while over time what emerges is changes to both cultures. That does not mean theses groups do not engage fully in their new environment. <BR/><BR/>Multiculturalism is also an issue in the workplace. I work for an employer who has operations in 39 different countries. Such an employer, and most to day view diversity as very good business. Time and investment in traning are set aside to cultivate diversity, leading to a more tolerant and innovative work environment. <BR/>So the debate over assimilation versus multiculturalism is far from settled or indeed clear. <BR/>What I was seeking to advance the cause of multicturalsm in a pluralistic society. <BR/><BR/>The USA has adopted the assimilation model; with some success whilst others including Australia are attempting Multiculturalism. <BR/><BR/>There are many arguments for and against but I personally favour Multiculturalism. <BR/><BR/>Best wishesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17915403.post-1164411328333729192006-11-25T00:35:00.000+01:002006-11-25T00:35:00.000+01:00Well I don't quite agree with Lindsay this time.La...Well I don't quite agree with Lindsay this time.<BR/>Laws are just a skeleton to provide support for a juicy and meaty living structure.<BR/>Laws don't order life, laws only direct order for life before death. <BR/>In other words, immigrants should assimilate most of all the living structure of a given country, laws are secondary and a crutch (skeleton).<BR/>See, you wouldn't blame the ocean for the inadequacy and stupidity of the lizard to swim across to an island, neither would you blame the desert for a tuna fish attempting to find an oasis.<BR/>Assimilation is not a "law" thing - it is having respect towards your chosen environment, and choosing to adopt or else get lost.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17915403.post-1164376444600823222006-11-24T14:54:00.000+01:002006-11-24T14:54:00.000+01:00I understand outside of Morroco the Netherlands ha...I understand outside of Morroco the Netherlands has the largest number of Moroccans in the world, so I guess there any number of bad behaviors within their midst that will occur like any other ethnic group or locals. <BR/><BR/>I enjoy the company of my good Dutch friends and those of other ethnic backgrounds, but I don’t expect them to be overly grateful for their Australian citizenship, indeed the richest in culture that different groups bring to another’s country I think is a blessing.<BR/><BR/>However for a variety of reasons multiculturalism does not always work so well but I don’t agree with the idea of conformity to some subjective standards of nationalism (values), apart from the laws of that land.<BR/><BR/>For the most part living in Melbourne, one of the most multicultural cities in the world seems to work reasonably well, but it’s a complex issue. <BR/><BR/>Best wishesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17915403.post-1164119189886241802006-11-21T15:26:00.000+01:002006-11-21T15:26:00.000+01:00I would have done the same, but I think I would ha...I would have done the same, but I think I would have been there sooner giving her the evil eye. An ounce of prevention is better than a punch in the head.<BR/><BR/>My friend immigrated here (Canada) from Egypt. She works as a social worker. She's embarrassed at how often her family and Egyptian friends will ask her for "advice" on how to fleece the Canadian "system". She says they complain all the time about Canada and Canadians, but they'd never consider moving back to Egypt. She's in Toronto, though, and we all know Toronto's a hotbed of weirdness... ;-)<BR/><BR/>Out here, in the more rural West, I've never met an immigrant who wasn't delighted to be here and leaping into his/her community with both feet.<BR/><BR/>I think the problem is overgrown urbanity. Big cities aren't healthy, and they crimp people's souls and turn them green and moldy around the edges.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17915403.post-1164115500610951802006-11-21T14:25:00.000+01:002006-11-21T14:25:00.000+01:00I can't believe a grown woman actually went so far...I can't believe a grown woman actually went so far as to make a 6 year old cry!! <BR/>Sure there would probably have been other and more "Buddhist" ways of reacting, but I bet none of them (I'm sorry to say) would have been as effective..<BR/>I have missed reading your blog in my absence and am happy to announce my return... :)Nerdinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10484354258334040064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17915403.post-1164076077189163172006-11-21T03:27:00.000+01:002006-11-21T03:27:00.000+01:00Oh, Buddhist..I love the concept..I'm usually very...Oh, Buddhist..I love the concept..<BR/><BR/>I'm usually very very laid back and easy going ....<BR/>And when kids are having problems..i watch ..and only intervene when it looks like it might get nasty..and especially if they're mismatched.<BR/><BR/>But you let an adult start messing with my well behaved child...(I grew up with neighbors reprimanding all the kids in our area..so i really do believe in the village theory)<BR/><BR/>I will go insane.<BR/><BR/><BR/>I am NOT that nice a person that anyone can test me on this .<BR/><BR/>Fuck with me ..I'll turn the other cheek..maybe<BR/>Fuck with my innocent child..<BR/>I will break both your legs<BR/><BR/>( excuse my language..but, eh well..Sometimes a subject needs a few fucks thrown in)Cynniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05796562985485272298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17915403.post-1164075931251175582006-11-21T03:25:00.000+01:002006-11-21T03:25:00.000+01:00LOL!! Ah the memories came flooding back. I rememb...LOL!! Ah the memories came flooding back. I remember one Sinterklaas arrival in my little hometown of Hoogeveen (drents as wee'k nie wat..hehe, ik niet hoor) anyhoo... I still believed in Sinterklaas and I heard a boy scream (as the zwarte pieten were going around throwing out pepernoten which is a kind of cookie sweet) "Sinterklaas bestaat niet!" (Sinterklaas doesn't exist!) For sure I thought he'd go straight into 'black pete's' bag back to Spain lol!<BR/>As for the Canadians. The Dutch still have a great reputation I think and the WW2 connection is still there. When I lived in Ottawa CA, there would be the tulip festival every year in honour of the Dutch princess that was born there during the war but the Canadians 'recognized' her room in the hospital as 'Dutch' so she was still Dutch and not Canadian. (weird really)<BR/>As for that moustached woman, yep, not every foreigner in every country is respectful of its customs and traditions. Of course I hear the little devil on my shoulder saying ' ahem'..so what about this bellowaching about the pledge of allegiance'?? To which I say, well you know..it reminds me too much of the hitler jugend! (eek)<BR/>I rest my case too,<BR/>IngridIngridhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15543677729320023767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17915403.post-1164064353597285572006-11-21T00:12:00.000+01:002006-11-21T00:12:00.000+01:00Perhaps this just goes to prove that there are ass...Perhaps this just goes to prove that there are assholes everywhere. In every country and in every race and in every religion a few assholes must reside.<BR/><BR/>Not being a parent I can't say how I would have felt. Knowing my mouth when I get angry, I sure as hell know what I would have said.pissed off patriciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08854364015577541981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17915403.post-1164058012617921272006-11-20T22:26:00.000+01:002006-11-20T22:26:00.000+01:00Don't be so hard on yourself. If an adult was bul...Don't be so hard on yourself. If an adult was bullying one of my sons, I'd probably have done something similar. We just moved to a city in the northwestern US, and my oldest son (he's 11 but is very tall and looks 16) has been knocked around and had racial slurs yelled at him due to his being white.<BR/><BR/>If that woman had done that to my 6 year old and I had to go and rescue him, I probably would have done worse than you, and I'm a soft spoken and generally sweet person. You did the best you could at the time, and your son knows he can trust you to defend him. Hope you both are well.Kathleen Callonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08119999393761827826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17915403.post-1164044637425010582006-11-20T18:43:00.000+01:002006-11-20T18:43:00.000+01:00DA - it's understandable that you became angry to ...DA - it's understandable that you became angry to protect your son. That's the beauty of evolution and eons of protective instinct. You stood up and solved the problem...and it didn't end in violence.<BR/><BR/>As for immigrants, I hope you don't end up generalizing your experience (I know you won't). Each individual is different and needs to be seen as the soul they are. Every culture has some ugly sides to it (ask the Aboriginal Canadians how much respect their 'immigrants' gave them).Garyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15148485566444804108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17915403.post-1164032874486338812006-11-20T15:27:00.001+01:002006-11-20T15:27:00.001+01:00Wow, don't mess with our dear WA, eh?Wow, don't mess with our dear WA, eh?JBluehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00963391797951125445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17915403.post-1164032822963492482006-11-20T15:27:00.000+01:002006-11-20T15:27:00.000+01:00OMG, DA, I admire your restraint! If someone dared...OMG, DA, I admire your restraint! If someone dared to TOUCH one of my kids, I think my head would explode. I would probably beat the crap out of the entire family on the spot.... In fact, can you get their address for me? I can't bear to have a 6 y.o. child bullied like that. I'll be right over....<BR/><BR/>Geez. Maybe it is a cultural difference: maybe in their culture it is acceptable to reprimand other people's children. However, it could be just THESE people have no sense, as Lesley noted. In our culture, that's not accepted either. One thing peops should know before coming here: don't touch other people's children. You may draw back a nub.JBluehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00963391797951125445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17915403.post-1164017118641800312006-11-20T11:05:00.000+01:002006-11-20T11:05:00.000+01:00There are some people of every race who are rude a...There are some people of every race who are rude and aggressive and who regard courtesy and turning the other cheek as weakness. To those, a determined aggressive defense is sometimes necessary to let them know we will not be bullied and intimidated, and especially when our children are being abused. THAT is intolerable!! And especially when an adult does it. <BR/><BR/>Unfortunately, there are many immigrants who come to a new nation in order to exploit the resources and benefits there and have no gratitude nor loyalty to their new homeland. We see much of that here in the US, with some even demanding that we of European ancestry be deported and allow them to take over the country. I don't know what they propose to do with those of us and of their group who are of mixed Native American and Euro ancestry---cut us in half, send one part back to Europe and let the other half stay?? What a coil!!<BR/><BR/>I understand about losing your Buddhist cool, DA. I am a non-violent person but the only fight I ever got into in my adult life was when a neighbor woman knocked my petite 14 yr.old daughter down with a blow to the head with a stick and then punched my 15 yr. old daughter in the stomach. This peaceful dove Mama morphed into a raging saber toothed tigress and a terrific hair pulling, scratching, punching battle was on. Little kids boiled out of the woodwork to enjoy the spectacle and other neighbors called the police. Two squad cars with riot dogs came, so I don't know what was reported. I was never so embarrassed in my life and further humilated because the officers could not restrain their snickers and grins.I was not amused. However, that woman never again bothered the children playing stickball in our dead-end street. <BR/>I cannot understand why two men fighting is frightening, but two women having a hair pulling is amusing.Worried Americanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15025693881754554346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17915403.post-1163993026373480882006-11-20T04:23:00.000+01:002006-11-20T04:23:00.000+01:00I don't blame you for your reaction. Is it possib...I don't blame you for your reaction. Is it possible these are just rude people and has nothing to do with where they come from? There are not a lot of Mediterranian people here where I live, but the ones I have met seem very polite and nice. Perhaps those people would be rude no matter where they live because that is just how they are. They are the kind of people who don't know how to be grateful or polite. There are plenty people of all races that I have met that fit that description.LesleyinNMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07650512451759278182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17915403.post-1163985621479314302006-11-20T02:20:00.000+01:002006-11-20T02:20:00.000+01:00I commend your reaction Dimitri, I would have done...I commend your reaction Dimitri, I would have done the same ... sometimes enough is enough and I don't have patience for parasitic pestilized behavior anymore. <BR/>Coming to a new country is like beginning a new relationship between two people. Respect, listening, assimilation, exchange. If that chain does not work the only other alternative is divorce!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17915403.post-1163978619934427712006-11-20T00:23:00.000+01:002006-11-20T00:23:00.000+01:00Wow. Ok, first..interesting titbit on how you guys...Wow. Ok, first..interesting titbit on how you guys celebrate St.Nick earlier and the description of his helpers etc. when compared to the North American version.<BR/><BR/>Second, I cannot believe that lady got involved in something between kids. And I must say Dimi, I was a little shocked over your words, but I understand the heat of the moment etc.etc. I don't know the situation in Amsterdam re: the immigrants etc. but it only makes me more proud of Canada. <BR/><BR/>Take care!Veehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05458682903433069765noreply@blogger.com